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rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-32\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-33\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">15</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Syakhroni<br />\n195707061987031000</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">Drs., M.Ag.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">Lektor Kepala (IV/c)</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: UIN Ar Raniry Nangro Aceh Darussala<br />\nS1: UIN Raden Fatah Palembang</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Hukum Islam<br />\nHukum Islam</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-34\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-35\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">16</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Yenti Sumarni<br />\n197904162007012020</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">M.M.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">Lektor (III/c)</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: Universitas Bengkulu<br />\nS1: Universitas Bengkulu</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Manajemen<br />\nManajemen</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://moraref.kemenag.go.id/users/author/98077985952770238\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-36\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-37\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">17</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Badaruddin Nurhab<br />\n198508072015031000</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">M.M.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">Asisten Ahli (III/b)</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: Bina Darma Palembang<br />\nS1: STAIN Bengkulu</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Manajemen Sumber Daya Manusia<br />\nTafsir Hadis</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://moraref.kemenag.go.id/users/author/98077985952770293\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-38\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-39\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">18</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Amimah Oktarina<br />\n199210212018012001</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">M.E.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">Asisten Ahli (III/b)</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: Universitas Islam Indonesia Yogyakarta<br />\nS1: IAIN Bengkulu</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Ekonomi Islam<br />\nEkonomi Islam</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.co.id/citations?user=od4-brwAAAAJ&amp;hl=id\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-40\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-41\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">19</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Nonie Afriyanti<br />\n199304242018012002</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">M.E.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">Asisten Ahli (III/b)</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: Universitas Islam Indonesia Yogyakarta<br />\nS1: IAIN Bengkulu</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Ekonomi Islam<br />\nEkonomi Islam</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=xWSzws0AAAAJ&amp;hl=id\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-42\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-43\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">20</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Aan Shar<br />\n198908062019031008</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">S.E., M.M.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">Asisten Ahli (III/b)</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: Universitas Bengkulu <br />\nS1: Universitas Bengkulu  </td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Manajemen Pemasaran<br />\nManajemen Pemasaran</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.co.id/citations?user=SObnNugAAAAJ&amp;hl=id\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-44\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-45\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">21</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Adi Setiawan<br />\n198803312019031005<br />\n</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">Lc., M.E.I</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">Asisten Ahli (III/b)</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: UIKA Bogor<br />\nS1: Al Azhar Kairo Mesir</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Ekonomi Islam<br />\nSyariah Islamiyah</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ieh9bHgAAAAJ&amp;hl=id\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-46\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-47\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">22</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Debby Arisandi<br />\n198609192019032012</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">MBA</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">Asisten Ahli (III/b)</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: Prince of Songkla University<br />\nS1: Universitas Bengkulu</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Administrasi Bisnis<br />\nManajemen<br />\n</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.co.id/citations?user=eBvTuEMAAAAJ&amp;hl=en\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-48\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-49\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">23</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Evan Stiawan<br />\n20200392001</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\"> S.E., M.M.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">Asisten Ahli (III/b)</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2 Universitas Esa Unggul<br />\nS1 Universitas Esa Unggul</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Manajemen<br />\nManajemen</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.co.id/citations?user=4GERcUQAAAAJ&amp;hl=id\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-50\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-51\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">24</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Faisal Muttaqin<br />\n198701282019031007</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">S.E, M.S.M</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">Asisten Ahli (III/b)</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: Universitas Indonesia<br />\nS1: Universitas Padjadjaran <br />\n</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Science Management <br />\nManajemen<br />\n</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=i4WpAR4AAAAJ&amp;hl=id\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-52\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-53\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">25</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Herlina Yustati<br />\n198505222019032004</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">MA. Ek. </td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">Asisten Ahli (III/b)</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: UIN Syarif Hidayatullah Jakarta <br />\nS1: di STAIN Bengkulu <br />\n</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Ekonomi Islam<br />\nEkonomi Islam</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.co.id/citations?user=sUk2G8kAAAAJ&amp;hl=en\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-54\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-55\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">26</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Rizky Hariyadi<br />\n198711262019031004</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">M.Acc</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">Asisten Ahli (III/b)</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: Universitas Gadjah Mada<br />\nS1: Universitas Bengkulu<br />\n</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Akuntansi<br />\nAkuntansi</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=5elhBAgAAAAJ&amp;hl=en\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-56\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-57\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">27</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Katra Pramadeka<br />\n198807252020121003</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">S.E., M.E.I.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">-</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: UIN Sunan Kalijaga Yogyakarta<br />\nS1: Universitas Muhammadiyah Yogyakarta</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Keuangan dan Perbankan Syariah<br />\nEkonomi dan Perbankan Islam</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=list_works&amp;hl=id&amp;user=eAFVY74AAAAJ\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-58\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-59\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">28</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Uswatun Hasanah<br />\n199303082020122003</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">M.E.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">-</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: UIN Raden Fatah Palembang<br />\nS1: UIN Raden Fatah Palembang</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Ekonomi Syariah<br />\nEkonomi Islam</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=SGo2pWMAAAAJ&amp;hl=id\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-60\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-61\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">29</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Esti Alfiah<br />\n199307212020122012</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">M.E.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">-</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: UIN Imam Bonjol Padang<br />\nS1: IAIN Bengkulu</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Ekonomi Syariah<br />\nEkonomi Syariah</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.co.id/citations?user=5KCgYfgAAAAJ&amp;hl=id\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-62\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-63\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">30</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Andi Cahyono<br />\n198505242020121004</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">M.E.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">-</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: UIN Syarif Hidayatullah Jakarta<br />\nS1: UM Metro</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Perbankan Syariah<br />\nPBA</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Wa3sxV8AAAAJ&amp;hl=id&amp;oi=ao\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-64\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-65\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">31</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Padlim Hanif<br />\n199106162020121009</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">S.E., M.Ak.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">-</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: Universitas Bengkulu<br />\nS1: Universitas Bengkulu</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Akuntansi Sektor Publik<br />\nAkuntansi Sektor Publik</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=id&amp;user=P65btkUAAAAJ\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-66\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-67\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">32</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Miko Polindi<br />\n199105252020121006</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">M.E.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">-</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: UIN Sunan Gunung Djati Bandung<br />\nS1: IAIN Bengkulu</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Ekonomi Syariah<br />\nEkonomi Syariah</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.co.id/citations?user=V7rXF9gAAAAJ&amp;hl=id&amp;oi=ao\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-68\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-69\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">33</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Eeng Juli Efrianto<br />\n199305072020121010</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">M.E.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">-</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: UIN Sunan Kalijaga Yogyakarta<br />\nS1: UIN Sunan Kalijaga Yogyakarta</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Ekonomi Syariah<br />\nPerbankan Syariah</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=CHZkf0kAAAAJ&amp;hl=en&amp;oi=ao\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-70\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-71\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">34</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Rahmat Putra Ahmad Hasibuan<br />\n199104172020121010</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">M.Si.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">-</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: Universitas Negeri Medan<br />\nS1: Universitas Negeri Medan</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Ilmu Ekonomi<br />\nPendidikan Ekonomi</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&amp;user=KR1Jd04AAAAJ\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-72\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-73\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">35</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Kustin Hartini<br />\n2002038102</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">M.M.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">-</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2 Universitas Muhammadiyah Yogyakarta<br />\nS1 Universitas Muhammadiyah Yogyakarta</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Manajemen<br />\nManajemen</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=YYHB_0QAAAAJ&amp;hl=id\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-74\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-75\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">36</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Lucy Auditya<br />\n2006018202</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">SE. M.Ak.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">-</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: Universitas Bengkulu<br />\nS1: Universitas Muhammadiyah Bengkulu</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Akuntansi<br />\nAkuntansi</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.co.id/citations?user=iPR2HJ4AAAAJ&amp;hl=id\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-76\">\n	\n</tr>\n<tr class=\"row-77\">\n	<td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-1\">37</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-2\">Yetti Afrida Indra<br />\n0214048401</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-3\">M.Ak.</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-4\">-</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-5\">S2: Universitas Bengkulu<br />\nS1: Universitas Dehasen Bengkulu<br />\n</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-6\">Akuntansi<br />\nAkuntansi</td><td rowspan=\"2\" class=\"column-7\"><a href=\"https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=qQ0SSc8AAAAJ&amp;hl=en\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lihat Data</a></td>\n</tr>\n<tr 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And so I think we are definitely feeling that pressure of really justifying the value of these events to sponsors and also being able to afford venues, for example. Venues are one of our, they are the highest cost right now. And then when you add on food, after party, AV, those expenses are very high right now.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And so yeah, the amount of sponsorship that we want to raise is higher, and at a time where the economy is struggling, that&#8217;s a difficult thing. However, we are doing, we are doing well overall. I think, as you can tell from the sponsor activity downstairs, it seems to be doing really well.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>We raised enough for the global sponsors that we aim to raise, and we also just added another global sponsor. So overall we are doing well and I think it&#8217;s really wonderful that WordPress community support has always been very budget conscious. 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They&#8217;re really curious to see what comes of this, and they&#8217;re excited as well.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:17:15] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I wonder, does an event like WordCamp EU , which is truly on a very different scale from let&#8217;s say a local meetup or something like that, or a much more regional WordCamp. It feels as if sponsors and all of that would be falling over themselves to come here, because they can capture a truly enormous audience of interested people.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>But I wonder what the trickle down of that is. In other words, if we were to have the same conversation, but we weren&#8217;t sitting in WordCamp Europe and we were sitting in a much smaller event. How does the sponsorship work there? Are we still in a strong position to put on local WordCamps with the model that we&#8217;ve got and, Meetups, regional WordCamps, all of that kind of thing?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Because it feels like WordCamp Europe, that would almost be the last thing to fail. The sponsors would be desperate to get here. How is it looking for the smaller events, the ones in, I don&#8217;t know, capital cities or the ones in regional cities throughout the world?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:18:14] <strong>Angela Jin:</strong> It is different, given the scale of WordCamp Europe. Overall our events large and small, have, they&#8217;ve been able to raise a good amount of money locally. We do augment that with global sponsorship. That&#8217;s what the global sponsor fund is there for. And so yeah, we do our best to, the priority of WordCamps is the attendees. And so we really want our organizers to be able to focus on creating the best experience for WordCampers, as opposed to spending so much time raising money. Because fundraising is challenging. I&#8217;ve done plenty of it myself and it is hard work.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:18:53] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Do you have a list of WordCamps which in an ideal world, these ones would be put on? In other words, I&#8217;ve got a list of 800, here&#8217;s the top 10 that we must make happen. Here&#8217;s a further a hundred, which we&#8217;d love to happen. And sadly there&#8217;s a few down here which might not make the cut. I don&#8217;t know how that decision tree looks.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:19:11] <strong>Angela Jin:</strong> Oh, it&#8217;s very much up to the community. Any organizer that wants to have a WordPress event, the community team wants to support them in having that. That is very much what the community team is there for.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And so I think one of, bringing this back to Next Gen events, one of the things that I was seeing that I think a lot of community members are seeing, from organizers, is that they have interest in doing something that&#8217;s a slightly different format from the WordCamps that we know and love.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>But they feel like they can&#8217;t do that because it&#8217;s not a WordCamp. And I think we should be saying yes to those. 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What are you thinking of doing to change that?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:20:39] <strong>Angela Jin:</strong> Yeah, I really am curious to see what people come up with. What I propose there was a really, I consider it more of a evolution as opposed to a change. We&#8217;re not doing away with any of the WordCamps that are currently on the calendar, that want to come and organize. What we are doing is encouraging community members to express what sort of events they want to see. And so a few that, I think I had included in that post, were things like, focused on contribution.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>They were focused on all day workshops that really help people learn specific skills. One thing that I&#8217;ve heard over and over is that people want to learn advanced skills. Advanced WordPress development, design, content creation, things like that. And so we could really do a lot with that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>One interesting format, it was described to me as a shark tank, but nice. We&#8217;re a very, I know, I love that. We&#8217;re a very entrepreneurial community and if we&#8217;re going to help everybody really succeed in that, then we need to give them some place to come and explore their ideas. Learn from each other around what it really takes to make all of that happen.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yeah, coming to an event, sharing a pitch, and getting feedback from people who have been there before, who are able to help them refine and strengthen their ideas and then make connections to make those happen. That&#8217;s pretty exciting.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:22:13] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I&#8217;m going to quote directly from your piece because I think it perfectly sums up what you&#8217;d hope. What you are looking for in the future. So this is not a cast iron set of things which are going to happen. These are just some possible suggestions, and it says, so I quote, the hope is that a period of innovation and experimentation will follow this critical shift in the purpose of our rents with the following outcomes.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Events curated for clearly defined audiences, resulting in a clearer idea of what attendees will gain from participating. For example, events for students, for designers, for contributors. So that&#8217;s point 1. Point 2, a more precise focus around event content types or topics. This will also help further clarify who the event is for. For example, maybe an event on AI and WordPress, user experience enterprise, et cetera. That&#8217;s point 2. And point 3, a variety of event formats that are freshly exciting and engaging for attendees. For example, workshops, unconference, job fairs, pure networking, et cetera.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So there&#8217;s the three points, and each of those, if I attended an event like one of those, it would be radically different to something that we&#8217;re attending now. So let&#8217;s just take those piece by piece. This idea of defined audiences. So you mentioned here, for example, students, designers, contributors. That&#8217;s an idea, it may have legs, it may not. You&#8217;re trying to figure that out.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is the intention there then to literally put an event up where it&#8217;s advertised toward students primarily, or to designers primarily. So people seeing that, who are not students, or not designers would feel, do you know what, that&#8217;s maybe one I&#8217;ll hold back on. I&#8217;ll look for a different one at a different point. Is that the idea of that one?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:23:51] <strong>Angela Jin:</strong> Yes, kind of. The point is definitely not to, I don&#8217;t want to exclude anybody from any of these events. However, I do think that, where we are in a world where finances are tightened, and it is expensive to commit to the time and to commit to the travel to an event, that people want to know what they are going to get out of it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And by clearly articulating who this event is really designed for, we can provide an event that really delivers that kind of content. I was recently at Open Source 101, was held at a community college, and the mix there was very clearly students. Or people who were looking to change jobs into open source. And they were very clear from the beginning that this was,</p>\n\n\n\n<p>I mean, it&#8217;s in the name Open Source 101. This is introductory content for anyone who wants to learn about open source. 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So what you&#8217;re really trying to do is subdivide what we&#8217;ve already got into maybe something that you would be just slightly more interested in, because it&#8217;s more directly related to what your business does or what you&#8217;re interested in.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:25:30] <strong>Angela Jin:</strong> Yes, and I do think that there is a space where we are undeniably multidisciplinary. It does not serve us well to just have events where we only have developers meet in one location and community builders meet in another location. And yeah, there are many developers who are also community builders. I&#8217;m just pulling those two groups as examples. And so yeah, I would also love to see events where we do celebrate that multidisciplinary community, and bring all of them together because, amazing connections and ideas come from that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And so I&#8217;m not trying to segment the community into all these events, but to increase the variety in events and to help people understand what they&#8217;re going to get by participating in one or the other. And I think that for many WordPressers, they would benefit from an event that is specialized for them, with content where they are going to learn more than what they currently know and further their career, further their skills, further their interests. And to participate in another event where they can focus on learning more about something that they touch in their life, but don&#8217;t necessarily know a ton about.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:26:47] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> The third bullet point that I just talked about there was event formats. And you mentioned workshops. I&#8217;m quite familiar with that. We have those at WordCamps, so it&#8217;s more, instead of being presented at, from a stage, that&#8217;s more, okay, let&#8217;s all try the things together. You bring your laptop and we&#8217;ll all try to figure out the same problem at the same time. But there are some other ones in there that are really new to me. So an unconference. What is that?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:27:12] <strong>Angela Jin:</strong> I think it&#8217;s also referred to as like birds of a feather. I think it has its roots in the tech community where we basically just get a bunch of people together in a room, around one topic, and the attendees really drive the agenda.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>They suggest a topic around what everybody is brought here for. And then people will vote with their feet and go to those discussions to talk about them. And so the conversation is very, very attendee driven and very organic. There&#8217;s no one speaker. Sometimes there is, whoever proposes the topic can be the facilitator, but that&#8217;s not a requirement.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:27:50] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I think the other ones we probably understand a little bit more as well. So we&#8217;ve just mentioned workshops, unconferences, job fairs, and pure networking. They probably speak for themselves. So I&#8217;ll leave those to one side.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is there a danger that one of the consequences of trying this out is that we will end up with events which are more specific? That therefore would attract a more specific audience? At the moment, if you wander downstairs into the hall, there&#8217;s just this broad church of people from all over the world with different backgrounds.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>You know, you&#8217;ve got the SEO people, the marketing people, the coders. You name it, they&#8217;re there. And because of that, you get this serendipitous collision of people meeting in the hallway track. Unexpected connections are made. Unexpected partnerships are forged, and all of that. Is there a danger that we may lose a part of that? And that&#8217;s an unquantifiable part because nobody&#8217;s really writing up what connections they made. It just is what people talk about.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is there a danger that that may be lost, because we&#8217;ve just got a bunch of SEO people in the room, or we&#8217;ve just got a bunch of AI people in the room</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:28:55] <strong>Angela Jin:</strong> I understand that worry, and I see where the post might make that feel more like a reality. But I can never imagine a WordPress community that would ever let that go. I want to encourage that as well because I love it. One of the concerns that came, that I&#8217;m hearing after this post, is are we going to lose that community led feel of our events?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And I do not want to. Like that is, that is our strength. We are community first. All of our events are very community first. And we have a number of values that come along with that that I truly feel are non-negotiable. Things like our ticket prices to attend WordCamps are very low.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>We want to make them as accessible as possible. I don&#8217;t want to lose that. I want to be able to have everybody come to these events. And so things like diversity and inclusion and creating welcoming spaces, those are all non-negotiables. And so I really believe that we can take this experiment, this evolution, and make it community led.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And we do have a ton of businesses in WordPress, and I could see a more business focused event, where it is for agencies, for enterprise, because they are a part of this community. And I believe we can do those events as community led first.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:30:19] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I guess there&#8217;s something about geography in here as well in that if, let&#8217;s say, you have a business event and it&#8217;s in Miami. Then Miami has had its business event. But Sydney didn&#8217;t. Brussels didn&#8217;t. So there&#8217;s got to be some new piece of the puzzle where, okay, we&#8217;ve got to make sure that we&#8217;ve got these new event types and we&#8217;ve got to spread them out evenly over time so that we don&#8217;t exclude Miami. They never get the SEO event, it never comes their way.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So there&#8217;s a whole other piece about, there&#8217;s more management to be done about the topics and whether a certain geographical area has had something recently, or if it&#8217;s been five years ago. Do you know what I mean?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:30:55] <strong>Angela Jin:</strong> Yeah. And in my mind, this goes to one of our open source philosophies that we create things because we&#8217;re scratching an itch. And so yeah, if Miami has an amazing contribution event and Brussels says we want one too, then let&#8217;s do it. Like I said, the community team it wants to encourage events, so let&#8217;s have it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:31:19] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> With this change over happening, presumably there&#8217;s going to be a period where the events that we&#8217;re used to will carry on. So, I think you said a little while ago that if you&#8217;re already on the roster, if you&#8217;ve already put in a proposal and it&#8217;s been accepted, we are going to be staying with how it always has been. So it&#8217;s more from now on. You&#8217;re going to be encouraging people who haven&#8217;t yet submitted proposals. Is that true? Is that how it&#8217;s going to be rolled out?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:31:42] <strong>Angela Jin:</strong> Yeah, we want to support all organizers to know the latest and greatest in the program. And so yeah, as new organizers come, we will let them know about what the community is doing, and where we&#8217;re going, where we hope to go.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is very much an experiment and it seems to be getting a lot of interest. We already have, I believe, over 60 idea submissions. We do have an idea submissions page, so if there is an event that you would like to see, please, please do go and share it with us. By sharing an idea, you are not committed to it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>But part of what we&#8217;re trying to do is to collect all of these great ideas and share them with everyone so that if something sparks interest in people, they can do it in their community. Or if they have an idea to add on top of that, let&#8217;s try it out. I&#8217;m really hoping that we learn from each other to see where this goes. It is an experiment. If we all decide that we don&#8217;t like it and it doesn&#8217;t work, then we can definitely go back to what we know and do really well.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:32:44] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> You&#8217;ve already anticipated one of my questions, which was do we have a reverse gear?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:32:48] <strong>Angela Jin:</strong> Yes.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:32:49] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> In terms of this being rolled out, if I have already submitted a proposal, we know where that&#8217;s going now. How though are we going to make the transition? Are we going to do it all at once? So we&#8217;re going to, let&#8217;s say two years from now, a new event and it&#8217;s about this one topic. Are we going to mix what we&#8217;ve got now? So say one day, just like it is at the minute, with another day of the new format, so that people can attend both at the same time and vote with their feet if you like?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And a poll afterwards to figure out, okay, everybody like the new format, let&#8217;s push forward with that. In other words, how are you going to manage the rollout? Is it going to be sudden? So a new event is a new type, or are you going to gently mix it in with the old ones?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:33:29] <strong>Angela Jin:</strong> I don&#8217;t know. I think it&#8217;s really going to be what the community would like to see. We are starting to see people, there&#8217;s a lot of excitement for this from what I can see. We already have organizers reaching out to the community team to host these events. We are also figuring out the tooling for it right now.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, there&#8217;s another post about that, please go share your thoughts on that. But we do have some that are being scheduled. 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Are there certain things which are outside of the remit of an entire event?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, for example, SEO feels like a big enough subject for an entire WordCamp. There&#8217;s enough content there. But maybe there&#8217;s something a bit more niche, which you hear once at an event like the one we&#8217;re at. But it wouldn&#8217;t span the whole weekend say.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So that&#8217;s my question really. Are there some things which are within the purview of this and some things which you are excluding? You maybe don&#8217;t have any thoughts on that, but I&#8217;m just curious to know if there is going to be some things which are in scope and other things which are not.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:35:21] <strong>Angela Jin:</strong> Yeah, it&#8217;s an interesting question because, I think everything that we&#8217;re seeing proposed right now does very much feel within the scope. But I&#8217;m sure at some point there&#8217;s going to be some topic that raises some eyebrows. And I think this is why having a purpose is really helpful for that. Because we are asking that. How does your idea align with the purpose of what we&#8217;re trying to do here?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And I would really encourage us to be experimental because WordPress is not an island. We are a part of a much larger tech ecosystem and understanding the external influences to WordPress, and how WordPress influences those areas is really important, and will help us grow. And help us bring new people in, new ideas in.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>I would like to, I keep coming back to this word, but I would really like to be very experimental about it. And like I said, if we don&#8217;t like it, we can always go back and we have a very strong track record of being responsible with sponsor dollars. And so if there is an event that we&#8217;re like, hmm, like, we&#8217;re not quite sure how that&#8217;s going to work out, maybe we try it in a smaller scale and see how we can scale it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:36:34] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> You could try something a bit novel in a smaller event and see if it&#8217;s popular, see if it gains traction and what have you.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:36:40] <strong>Angela Jin:</strong> I&#8217;m really excited to see where this goes. And it is really lovely being here at WordCamp Europe to talk about this, because I&#8217;m excited by how excited everybody else is about this.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>I think there are a lot of questions about it, which is totally understandable, and I really believe that we can figure them out together. So, yeah, let&#8217;s see where it goes. And the only thing I would add is, please come and share your thoughts. Please share your thoughts on the idea as a whole, what ideas you have for events, and on what potential tooling needs we might need.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:37:13] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Where do we share the thoughts?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:37:15] <strong>Angela Jin:</strong> Uh, yes. There are three posts on the community, on the make community blog, and that is where a lot of the discussion is happening. The community team has regular meetings where this is a regular topic of conversation. And so yeah, come chat with any of the community deputies. Come chat with me and yeah, let&#8217;s see where this goes.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:37:36] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> So I will link to those places in the show notes. So if you&#8217;re curious about anything that Angela said, you can find the post on WP Tavern, and click on the links. Angela Jin, thank you very much for talking to me today. I really appreciate it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:37:47] <strong>Angela Jin:</strong> Thank you.</p>\n</div>\n\n\n\n<p>On the podcast today we have <a href=\"https://profiles.wordpress.org/angelasjin/\">Angela Jin</a>. It’s the first of six podcast episodes recorded at WordCamp Europe 2023, in Athens, Greece.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Angela is the Head of Programs and Contributor Experience at Automattic, where she oversees the work of multiple teams dedicated to the WordPress open source project. These are the community events and engagement, education, and marketing teams. Her passion lies in building strong, inclusive communities.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Several weeks ago, Angela wrote a blog post entitled <a href=\"https://profiles.wordpress.org/angelasjin/\">The Next Generation of WordCamps</a>. 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Я Игорь Лигай, генеральный директор и сооснователь Stylemixthemes.com. Наша компания специализируется на создании выдающихся плагинов и тем для WordPress. В настоящее время я живу в Дубаи (ОАЭ) и в Ташкенте (Узбекистан).</p>\n\n\n\n<p>В 2007 году, во время моего второго года университета, мой двоюродный брат Виктор предложил мне жизненно важную идею. Вместе с нашими друзьями Арсением и Александром мы основали компанию Stylemix, которая занималась разработкой веб-сайтов для местных и международных бизнесов в Узбекистане. Изначально это было небольшим хобби, но вскоре мы начали заниматься маркетингом наших услуг для местных компаний. Так как моя семья больше не могла финансово поддерживать меня, для меня стало крайне важным начать зарабатывать собственный доход. Эта возможность представляла собой шанс изменить мою жизнь к лучшему. Работая неустанно, часто до полуночи, я искал международных клиентов на Elance.com и использовал WordPress для создания их веб-сайтов. 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Платформа Freemius позволила нам успешно продавать нашу Pro-версию плагина, предлагая все необходимые функции. Переход к разработке плагинов WordPress стал большим успехом, и мы гордимся тем, что сделали правильное решение.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Более того, есть еще несколько причин, по которым мы решили сместить свое внимание с Envato (Themeforest) на Freemius для продажи плагинов WordPress непосредственно на веб-сайте нашей компании:</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Во-первых, Themeforest не обладал гибкостью для адаптации к модели подписки, которая сегодня является распространенной. Мы вынуждены продавать одноразовые покупки и предлагать нашу поддержку в виде услуги, похожей на подписку. 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In today&#8217;s show, we will talk about Gutenberg 15.9 and 6.0 releases, new posts from the developer block, the roadmap for 6.3 and a little bit of WordCamp Europe. I&#8217;m your host, Birgit Pauli-Haack, curator at the Gutenberg Times and the WordPress developer advocate and a full-time core contributor to the WordPress open source project.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And I have the wonderful pleasure to have Isabel Brison with me on the show. And Isabel has been a designer, developer on the Block Editor for almost four years, I think. And is the editor tech co-lead for WordPress 6.3, and therefore knows quite a bit about the features coming to WordPress 6.3. Isabel, thank you so much for making the time today to be on the show.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: Oh, it&#8217;s a great pleasure. Thanks for inviting me.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: We are both on the 6.3 release squad. So you are the tech colleague for the editor, together with Ramon Dodd. 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And that is really good because sometimes the line in a code block is creating horizontal navigation bars, horizontal scroll bars. And now, with the wide support, you can make it a little wider and have that one line not remove the horizontal scroll bar, which is a better reading experience.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: Yeah, that&#8217;s a good aesthetic improvement too. It can be nice to have wide code windows so you can read the whole thing in one go without having to scroll.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: Do you want to take the next one?</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: What&#8217;s the next one? I wanted to mention that in 5.9 a PR was merged that removed the post content block from the list of blocks that can be inserted in the post editor. And that makes sense because the post editor is basically what we get inside the post content block. So if you tried to add a post content block to the post editor, it was getting an error, which was a really bad user experience.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And so the block was rightfully removed. But in the meantime, someone noticed that there was a possible use case for the post content in the post editor because we can add query blocks in the post editor. So inside your post, you could have a little query with some categories or something like that. And there is a legitimate use case for having the post content block sit inside the query, and so inside the post template that you have inside the query.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Because if you have short posts, if you have a custom post type that&#8217;s fairly short, you might want to actually show the whole post in there. And so a PR was quickly done to fix this and allow for that use case. I don&#8217;t think it went into&#8230; It didn&#8217;t. No.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: It did.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: For sure, it didn&#8217;t go into 16.0.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: I think it did.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: It is going to go out into&#8230; It did? I&#8217;m pretty sure that it was only merged yesterday.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: Oh, okay. And it didn&#8217;t-</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: No.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: &#8230; It wasn&#8217;t backported. No. So it will come back for 16.1.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: So in 16.1, we will be able to use post content inside queries inside the post editor, which is pretty cool.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: One other use case is from a different custom post types, you want to show some of the posts in there and in your blog post. And there are many use cases I can think of it when you wanted to query something else and need to post content in there. So the next one is the Wayfinder or Command. I think there&#8217;s still a discussion going on on the naming of the feature.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Wayfinder was also not the one that was&#8230; It feels right for me, but I&#8217;m kind of English Westerners. But in the eastern hemisphere, it was a little bit differently seen. And for translated, it was really hard to find a good way. So the discussion goes on. But in the meantime, the Command&#8217;s API has marked in public, so you can use it and test it for your plugin or your WordPress install.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And Riad Benguella&#8217;s post Command Center request for feedback also contains some code examples on how to use the API. And you can create static commands, dynamic commands or contextual commands. And so you can try it out and see what it all does for you. It&#8217;s like a search bar that you don&#8217;t have to go through. You click control K, and then a search bar comes up on the interface and then you can type in some search commands. And it gives you a list of items that you can do, like add page or add post or something like that. Have you played with it?</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: It&#8217;s really cool. It kind of reminds me of the Spotlight on the Mac. I don&#8217;t know if Spotlight is the best name for it, but in my head, I&#8217;m calling it Spotlight. Because basically, it just pops up, this bar in the middle, and you can search for stuff and you can do stuff from it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is great. I wanted to add that I think possibly also in 5.9, there was a PR that added the ability to invoke the Command Center by clicking on the template name at the top of the site editor. So that&#8217;s just another super practical shortcut.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: Yeah, 15.9. So what else is in there? The interactivity API is still in experiments. And do you want to talk about the lightbox and the directives?</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: Yeah. I thought I&#8217;d mentioned it because it&#8217;s super exciting. It&#8217;s still very, very experimental. At this stage, it is unlikely to make it into 6.3, which on one hand, I&#8217;m slightly sad because lightboxes for images are really cool. On the other hand, it is still behind an experimental flag in the plugin. It hasn&#8217;t actually seen a lot of real-world testing.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So it&#8217;s also good to get some testing done before actually merging the feature into core. It&#8217;s very new, it&#8217;s very promising. So the whole interactivity API is a really interesting piece that&#8217;s been worked on for ages. It seems like ages. I don&#8217;t know. It can&#8217;t be that long. But I&#8217;m so excited about it because it provides a really neat way of adding interactive behaviors that&#8217;s usually only achievable with JavaScript to playing blocks.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And so it&#8217;s going to add a bunch of behaviors out of the box for core blocks, but it&#8217;s also going to be possible to use that API in the future to create custom behaviors for custom blocks. So it&#8217;s just a really nice way of standardizing a way of adding JavaScript to blocks to create dynamic behaviors. And the first experimental one or the first experiments to be put out there in the plugin is the possibility to add a lightbox to images. So if you enable it, you can click on the image in the front-end and then the image just pops up in full screen kind of thing, which is pretty neat.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: And I know that Luis Herranz did a workshop at WordCamp Europe last week. There was quite some buzz around the interactivity API. Because it mostly is also in the PHP render file where you can just add the directives or add the call for the directives. So it gets a lot of PHP developers also excited about block development and adding the interactivity to them.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And the excitement is also around being able&#8230; which is not going to be in the first version, even if it makes it into 6.4, that you can actually create your own directives. So the core will come out with, I don&#8217;t know, 15 or 20 directives that have a lot of use cases, cover probably 80% what a developer would need.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And the combination of it, be it data binding, be it button actions, being other interactivity. So this is a really exciting feature to come to block development. And I think it&#8217;s one of the missing links to get other people excited about building with blocks and JavaScript. And get the first vendor with PHP and then have the client-side changes through the API is really cool.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: Yeah. Cool. My cat just popped in. Sorry.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: The cat. So the next thing is that the text formatting tools in a paragraph have now two new attributes added. That&#8217;s the long language, so L-A-N-G, and the D-I-R, the dir attributes, which helps with multilingual posts. So you can add a language like French or Italian IT to a paragraph, and then a signal to the assistant technologies and the reader, &#8220;Okay, this is a different language.&#8221;</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And the dir part is that you change left to right, right to left rendering of that. And the code, almost verbatim, is used from Jean-Baptiste Audras, who had a plugin that added those two formatting tools to the paragraph.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And the subsequent PR also now uses the bidirectional text override element from Mozilla. But it&#8217;s good to have these additional formatting tools in there to cater to the multilingual content that you find all over Europe. So this is really cool.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: Not only is this really cool, but I am fairly certain that this is a longstanding issue from the accessibility audit way back when that the last time I checked was still open. So it might be a good idea to go over there and see if that issue can now be closed.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: But now it can be closed.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: Super exciting.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: That was definitely a missing piece. And that was also the reason why Jean-Baptiste added that to his companies or that his company built the plugin to help their clients with that kind of formatting. So there is a new API to allow prioritization of inserter items.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you have a block list setting, you now can allow the parent blocks define the priority for the blocks that are allowed in it, and how the inserter displays them for the inner blocks of that parent block. So that is definitely another customization and curation tool for the extenders with their block development.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: Oh, yeah. For sure. That will be great to provide more custom user experiences for certain block types. Definitely.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: I think we need to somewhere create a list of all the extension possibilities because I don&#8217;t think there is an overall list of all the possibilities on how to extend now. Sometimes there&#8217;s still missing documentation there of course. Not of course. But I found that some of the extensibilities like the inspector controls, the documentation&#8217;s in the README for the source code component but doesn&#8217;t bubble up into the developer handbook of the editor.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So I know that Nick Diego and Ryan are working on that together with Michael to figure out this architecture of missing stuff. Next thing is it sounds really benign, renaming template parts to library. So in the side editor on the left-hand side, there was a menu item called template parts. And that will be renamed into library because it will also house reusable blocks and patterns, reusable patterns or sync patterns, I think they&#8217;re called.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>The template parts, of course, will be also underneath it. I don&#8217;t know how far the syncing of pattern or reusable block is going because there&#8217;s a lot of confusion since the beginning: what is a pattern? What is a reusable block? And what is the template part? And they sound to be the same, but they all have one thing different of them. And there is an effort to unify it a little bit, and just manage what&#8217;s different instead of have three different items for them.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: I think that that would be great because reusable blocks are essentially patterns or they were already working as patterns, although they have the block itself. When you create a reusable block, it&#8217;s frozen, right?</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: Yeah.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: If you make changes to it, you&#8217;re making changes to all reusable blocks to the content. Whereas patterns, you drop a pattern in somewhere and you make changes to it and you can continue using that pattern elsewhere.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: But yet there&#8217;s this big problem that when you have a pattern and you change the design of the pattern, you cannot go back and have that change as well on all the time all the uses that you had, because there is no record of a post using a pattern. Because once it&#8217;s in the canvas, it just is the blocks that are inside the patterns.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: Yeah. So I think the fundamental piece here is being able to have patterns where the design can be changed globally, even if the content of the pattern is individual to each instance. And it&#8217;s a pretty complex piece of work. It&#8217;s being actively worked on. There is, I think, an effort to consolidate reusable blocks and patterns.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So I think the idea is going to be that reusable blocks are going to be absorbed and become patterns of a type. But it&#8217;s still fairly early stages considering the complexity of the endeavor. So at this point, it&#8217;s not certain what, if anything, of that work will actually make it into 6.3.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: Yeah, I can see that. And because the reusable blocks have actually also an interface to edit them, which the patterns do not. And that&#8217;s also something: how can you make those editing interfaces be used for both of them? There are a lot of different things that need to be aligned differently to make it all work, and I think it&#8217;s a fairly complex thing. Yes, you&#8217;re right.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So the next part for 15.9 is that the global styles get revisions. And that has been on the feedback list and on the wish list of a lot of people who have participated in the Full Site Editing Outreach program and have been very faithful in doing all the testing, the calls for testing and having a revision.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Because you know that when you change colors and font settings and things, you don&#8217;t know what you get until you see what you get. You don&#8217;t know what you want until you see what you get. And then all of a sudden, &#8220;Oh, maybe I liked that previously better.&#8221; But then you don&#8217;t remember the combination of what it was. And now you have revisions and you can see them side by side. So this is a very exciting new feature that will come in, and it seems to be making to 6.3.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: Oh, yeah. That one has been merged and it&#8217;s definitely going to make it into 6.3.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: There might be UI changes, but it will show up in the styles right-hand side and the sidebar under revisions. And then you get a list of all the revisions in the canvas and you can see them all together.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: So you can access the dark sidebar on the left-hand side. If you go to the styles and you see if the theme has style variations, they&#8217;ll appear there. But also in the right-hand side, global style sidebar, you can also access the revisions on the styles actions. There&#8217;s a little button at the top.</p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Experiments</strong></h3>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: Excellent. Yes. Under the experiments of 15.9, there is a list items called the behaviors UI. And that&#8217;s part of the interactivity API, I believe.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: Yes.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: And that is kind of a standardized way to attach behavior to an element or something like that. As I said, it&#8217;s in the experiments and I think it&#8217;s part of the lightbox behavior. That&#8217;s the only behavior that&#8217;s available right now. But what else can you think about what this could do?</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: Yes, I believe so. So say that you can define certain types of interactivity for certain blocks as, for example, the image can have a lightbox, but we don&#8217;t want all images on the site to suddenly have lightboxes.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And so the behaviors UI is something that it provides website authors, users with a way of enabling those interactive behaviors or disabling them for any given block. So it&#8217;s an important piece because certain behaviors might not be applicable to all blocks on the site and you need to have a way of turning them on and off.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: And so that will be part of the advanced interface on a block-based level in the sidebar.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: Yeah. Currently, it sits under advanced in the block sidebar.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: Well, this concludes our changelog for 15.9.&nbsp;</p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Gutenberg 16.0</strong></h3>\n\n\n\n<p>And now this week, 16.0 was released and Nick Diego was the release lead, and he wrote also the post. And it had 164 pull requests by 54 contributors. So it&#8217;s always a good size of contributors adding code to things. And there were four first-timers as well. And this comes with one feature we are all excited about. But do you want to take us into it, Isabel?</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: Yeah. So the feature that we&#8217;re all excited about, there&#8217;s actually a couple of features that we&#8217;re all excited about. One of them is the ability to add new pages from the site editor directly. Now a disclaimer, the ability is to add draft pages, not to publish them directly. But that&#8217;s great because the first thing that you do when you add pages, work on it is a draft, and then only afterwards you publish it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So it&#8217;s good. It&#8217;s the start of being able to do everything, having the site editor as the center from which you can do anything to your site, including create pages, edit them possibly at some point in the future, publish them. So that&#8217;s a pretty great new feature to have. It can be accessed from the left-hand sidebar.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: The new page also helps when you create new navigation menu where you want to access or point to a page that doesn&#8217;t exist yet. So this certainly helps as well. And I saw some discussion around it for that to work well and it show up in the list of searches that the page is actually published. So it&#8217;s the question, &#8220;What is a good way to move forward?&#8221;</p>\n\n\n\n<p>But what I am really excited about is that I can now edit a page in its context and I see how it works in context of the template. So I see the header, I see the footer, I see if there is a sidebar and how my content behaves that I create for the page. It allows me. And I know from the feedback of the Full Site Editing program, there was quite some feedback that there is a confusion between, &#8220;Am I adding the page or am I adding the template?&#8221;</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And some people edited the template thinking it was a page, and then found that edited piece or that added piece on every single page because they inadvertently changed the template. So the possibility was taking out of the site editor, but it&#8217;s coming back now with some guardrails. So you know when you edit a template, all of a sudden, the title changes to page title instead of saying about us.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And it also highlights that you are editing now a template part instead of the page itself. So I think we are getting really closer to have more a unified system of editing and not having to switch out from the site editor to the post editor and back in the admin where you have multiple back steps to get to the old page editing screens. So I&#8217;m really excited about to get this all in one interface.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: So that&#8217;s the second feature, what I was saying when I said there were two features. New pages, but also the ability to be able to tell at a glance if what we&#8217;re editing is the page&#8217;s actual content or the page&#8217;s template. So now it&#8217;s only possible to either edit one or the other, but not both simultaneous setting. That&#8217;s a pretty good one to have in there because otherwise it would be extremely confusing.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: Yeah, absolutely. And then there were a few, I don&#8217;t want to say small changes because it definitely takes an effort to get it in. But the list view got two additional, I would say, quality of life changes, the dragging. So you can now drag outside the immediate area and get into a different drop zone element there. And it&#8217;s now easier to position a block on top or on the bottom of the list.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Before, it was really hard to get on the bottom of a list when you drag and dropped it. And then the other one is that sometimes in the list view, your container blocks collapsed. And when you dragged a new block into that container, it always put it on the top. Now it makes more sense to put it on the bottom because I added to it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So when you open up the collapsed block again, you have all the new containers or blocks that you dragged into it on the bottom of the group block, for instance. So I really like those features. They make it much easier to be a little bit more predictable in what you&#8217;re doing and behave like that as you think it would. Intuition is an interesting thing. Sometimes you get it right, but sometimes you get it wrong, and 50/50 is a pretty good ratio for that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: Yeah, true. And it often takes a few iterations to figure out what the best behavior is and what&#8217;s most intuitive because it&#8217;s not always obvious. When you&#8217;re conceptualizing something, you&#8217;re thinking, &#8220;Oh, let&#8217;s build this new feature. It&#8217;s going to work like this.&#8221; But then in practice, it&#8217;s like, &#8220;Oh, actually that doesn&#8217;t work very well at all.&#8221;</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: So what else is in there? So I stopped at the details block. The experimental flag for the details block was removed and the blocks itself was stabilized. Now you have the two elements: the summary and the details. You can certainly style them accordingly. And now you can also add them to your canvas and it works out of the box. So this is more, it&#8217;s a block.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And we talked about it before, I think, in last episode as well as the one before. Because it was experimental and we were kind of going back and forth on it. It&#8217;s the block where you can use it as a spoiler alert. You can hide the details of your movie review that would spoil for those who haven&#8217;t seen the movie, spoil the movie ending or that part. Or if it&#8217;s just minutiae detail that only two or three readers would need, you can hide them in the details block, and then you get an error to expand it into the details from the summary.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: That&#8217;s pretty cool block.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: And it was long in the making. It will make it into 6.3. I think there are two other blocks that are on the verge in core, but I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re going to make it. The one is the table of contents block, and the other one is the footnotes block or blocks.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: That&#8217;s sad. Those were really useful blocks.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: It doesn&#8217;t seem&#8230; There wasn&#8217;t any movement on the table of contents block for about a month. So I&#8217;m not sure that anybody takes it on because there are two things that still need to be done there. And the footnotes block, I think Ella is working on that. And she is having two different variations where that needs to be a decision, which one will be pursued or not. And with two weeks to go, it might be a little bit tight.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: And it&#8217;s not two weeks, it&#8217;s closer to one week actually because for the packages&#8230; So for all the JavaScript pieces, what happens is we&#8217;re going to grab the release candidate for the next Gutenberg plugin release, which is going to be 16.1. And publish the packages from the release candidates with any bug fixes that are necessary after RC is cut. And those updated packages are what&#8217;s going to make it into core before beta one. And because the RC is going to be created towards….</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: Next week.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: &#8230; the end of next week. It would usually be on a Wednesday. It is likely at this point that it&#8217;s going to be Thursday or Friday. Given that both editor tech leads for this release are in Australia, we can conceivably do it on our Friday morning.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And that gives a little bit of extra time. It&#8217;s still Thursday night, everywhere else in the world. So at this point, that is likely to be the plan. And so what&#8217;s going to make it into beta one is anything that can be merged until that date, which is essentially one week away.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: Yeah, it&#8217;s one week away. We are recording this on June 15th, and beta one is the 27th. But the next release candidate, that&#8217;s going to be the 23rd or the 24th. So continuing with 16.0, thank you for this explanation on how tight it actually is with the timeframe.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: No worries. We&#8217;re glad to throw everyone into panic.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: High alert. So the query pagination block, another feature is that you can hide the label text for the next and previous. You have three choices: you can have an error, you can have carets or you can have text and now you can have both. But you can hide the previous text for it and just have the errors. So that&#8217;s a feature that is on par with the query pagination form classic themes, which is really cool.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And I highlighted one other thing, and it&#8217;s only really relevant for developers that want to get into how to use the HTML tag processor, Jeff Ong refactored the search block to actually use the HTML tag processor. And I think it&#8217;s a good case study on how this actually makes it easier or more readable to use the HTML tag processor instead of rejects in PHP. So I think it&#8217;s the PR51273, if you just want to get up and listen to this, get up and look at it. Of course, it&#8217;s in the Changelog 16.0. Have you worked with the HTML tag processor?</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: Yeah, I used it a while ago to do some layout-related stuff. So I think I actually was the first person to use that API in Gutenberg. It was still in Gutenberg, hadn&#8217;t been in motion to call yet and it was just being worked on by a few folks. And I was doing a layout-related task where it was trying to add the layout, the class.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So in a block when you have layout support, you get class names that will say what kind of layout it is, and then you can hook styles to them and stuff. And most blocks just have one wrapper. Blocks that have inner blocks have wrapper, inner blocks. But there are some blocks that have a bit more of a complex markup structure.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And so the idea was that the layout classes should be added to the inner wrapper so that they can have an effect over the inner blocks of the block. 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And it&#8217;s really hard to answer it because the question is, &#8220;When are design decisions made and who makes them?&#8221; And it&#8217;s very hard to explain that iterative process of developing these new features that haven&#8217;t been in WordPress before.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So there is an initial design that comes from the design team, but then all subsequent is iteration on how the flow is going to be. And as you said, there are 80 comments there, so that it&#8217;s definitely a community approach to it, or at least a subset of developers trying to figure that out in a team.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And testing comes about, and then there&#8217;s going back to the drawing board and then start again. So there is not really that one decision-maker and that one design that is zeroed in on. It&#8217;s more really what the idea was, and then we do the implementation. 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And I think you kind of have to be in-depth knowledgeable about the work that&#8217;s being done. But if you&#8217;re just looking from outside and trying to have a bird&#8217;s eye view here of seeing what&#8217;s going into the release, it&#8217;s impossible.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>I just have to go and ping people what I&#8217;ve been doing these past few weeks going, &#8220;Oh, hi. What do you think about this feature? Will it make it in? Are you happy to continue working on it? Is it mergeable within the next week or so?&#8221; That kind of thing. And so essentially, it&#8217;s a whole process of just talking to everyone and trying to figure out what stage they are at with the work and what I can help with, that sort of thing.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: And I think an indicator is&#8230; And I will share the link to the project board for editor task on 6.3, so we all can follow up on that and see how that is. 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Thank you so much for staying with me, Isabel, and providing so much great insights in the development and the design process as well as the release process. Is there anything that you want people to know about 6.3 or Gutenberg project that you are excited about?</p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Isabel Brison</em>: I think